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BIGRT



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PostPosted: Sunday 5-4-2008 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never heard of the 3 basin washing up set.

My boys club will be using it from now on.
We had only used the 2 basin technique up till now.

Do we have a bleach to water ratio that will kill the germs but not the colour in kids clothes?

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PostPosted: Sunday 6-1-2008 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Joanne, Any chance of getting the plans for the 3-Dish washing station? I could use it for camping and Meat Smoking Competitions
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PostPosted: Sunday 6-1-2008 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

castirongut,
here is the link you need for that sink stand!
http://www.gspiglet.org/ Thumbs Up
click on the pvc link on the left side to down load the plans
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PostPosted: Sunday 6-1-2008 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More Data on the

3-stage (bucket, pan, or bowl) method of cleaning dishes

in the wilderness where sanitizing is an concern.



BIGRT wrote:
Never heard of the 3 basin washing up set.

My boys club will be using it from now on.
We had only used the 2 basin technique up till now.

Do we have a bleach to water ratio that will kill the germs but not the colour in kids clothes?

BIGRT


Here is a read that will give you bleach to water ratio ~
*How ever one might have to test the 2 tsp of bleach to 1 1/3 gallons or 5 liters of water to see if colors fade.

Article: How to Wash Up in the Wilderness
http://tinyurl.com/69zhlt

Excerpt from the above article:
Three bowls

To clean eating implements adequately, Hargreaves proposes a rigorous
approach to washing in which backpackers would first fill each of three
large bowls or buckets with about 5 liters (1 1/3 gallons) of clean water.
Next, add 5 milliliters (1 teaspoon) of detergent to the first container and
10 ml (2 tsp) of 4-percent chlorine bleach (a common
commercial preparation) to the second.


To wash dishes and utensils, remove most food residues in the first bowl
and, in the second, scrub the items until they are visibly clean. A quick
rinse in the third bowl removes the odor of the cleaning chemicals.

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More data if ya really want to know the 3-Bowl system:

Source: "Wilderness Medical Society"
Volume 17, Number 2 June 2006

Article:
Laboratory Evaluation of the 3-Bowl System Used for Washing-Up Eating Utensils in the Field.
Author: Joanna S. Hargreaves
http://tinyurl.com/5ulkny
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PostPosted: Sunday 6-1-2008 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Steve

Thanks champ
I'll try that next time we have a campout.
It's okay to put the 3 bowls out for them, but how do you get them to drag their backsides and crockery to do the cleaning.

After the first meal, many of them lose their crockery or so they say.
Usually find them crusted up with the last meal still stuck on them.

BOYS !!!!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Monday 6-2-2008 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All!

Here's a complete PDF file of Brenda's PVC plans: PVC Plans . There are some really neat ideas there. I know quite a few folks who also use her food preparation table.

Also, our county health department specifies 50ppm (parts per million) as the desired concentration for dish rinse. In U.S. terms that would be 1 teaspoon a bleach per gallon of water.

For wipe rags (for wiping cooking surfaces), you want 200ppm. You can add 1 tablespoon of bleach to 1 gallon of water. These measures will get you close to the desired concentration.

Keep in mind that the chlorine dissipates over time and direct sunlight speeds this process. An hour in direct sunlight can completely dissipate the chlorine. I bought test strips at a local restaurant supply store (Smart & Final actually). The test strips will change color depending on the concentration of chlorine in the water.

For those of you interested in learning more, we have a sub-forum dedicated to food safety. There aren't a lot of posts, but the information there is a great start to understanding food safety.

Although not as interesting as Dutch Oven 101, or Dutch Oven Bread Baking, I am considering putting together a basic food safety class that I could present at the DOGs and DO conventions that I attend. I don't know if there is any demand for a food safety class, but I believe it would be an important class.

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PostPosted: Tuesday 8-19-2008 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cast iron and all into the soap and bleach?

I normally just do two sink inside the camper, but if I can talk William into making me the three sink, I think it'd be easier...
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PostPosted: Tuesday 8-19-2008 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, Nooooooooooooooo....NOT again Rainy Cloud Crying
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PostPosted: Wednesday 8-20-2008 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wolfy! Don't panic!

I am NOT putting my cast into soap and bleach...just curious as to if others do for competition purposes! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thursday 8-21-2008 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charlee Turner wrote:
Wolfy! Don't panic!

I am NOT putting my cast into soap and bleach...just curious as to if others do for competition purposes! Laughing


I'm a cast iron heretic! I don't often wash an oven in soapy water, but won't hesitate if it needs it. A quick dry and a wipe with oil and it's ready to cook again. I think folks spend way too much time worrying about the seasoning in their ovens.

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PostPosted: Thursday 8-21-2008 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me, too....my mom swished them out with Ivory Liquid and a dish cloth after fryin' pullets that we'd butchered around 9 AM for a noon meal. Then a simple rinse with hot tap water...we were good to go for the next day Gold Tooth Smile:

Best chicken I ever had....them old Wagner thin-sides just wiped right out and were rinsed and put back on the still-hot stove top to dry naturally. We never bothered to wipe with oil....they didn't have time to rust. They barely cooled off before they were called to do duty for the bacon or sausage and henfruit next morning Laughing
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PostPosted: Thursday 8-21-2008 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they worry too much too. Anyone wanna tell me that their mother/grandmother/great grandmother did NOT use metal utensils on her cast? *snort*

However...I do taste the soap if it's used... once in awhile I'll use a sponge that most of the soap is rinsed out of, but that's really rare...and I do frown on putting it in a sink of soapy water.

Bleach? Ain't happenin'! Wink
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PostPosted: Friday 8-22-2008 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charlee Turner :Smile 1:

The key is that this thread is about dishes and not cast iron cleaning.
So with that in mind the 3 stage solution with bleach in the first rinse water
seems a prudent undertaking, especially in a camping environment.

Most of the time for cast iron a good scraping and or boiling of hot water in
the iron with a good rinse and a reheating to dry the iron seems to be what
most do. Followed with a light coat of oil.
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PostPosted: Friday 8-22-2008 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gathered that Steve...

I guess my question wasn't explicit enough. At competitions or demos...does the health dept require the cast iron to be cleaned in the 3 stage method?
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PostPosted: Saturday 8-23-2008 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charlee Turner wrote:
I gathered that Steve...

I guess my question wasn't explicit enough. At competitions or demos...does the health dept require the cast iron to be cleaned in the 3 stage method?


Charlee ~ :Smile 1:

It hasn't been my experience that at competitions or demos that the 3 stage method isn't used on CI or insisted on by a health dept. (Usually the health dept. not asked) However if a group applies to the health dept. for a recognition to feed the public for profit that is where their rules seem to come into play. Now saying that and seeing the rules put into practice remains to be seen. A group that has had a recent experience with the health dept. rules .... decided to use liners for cobblers and wipe out the CI between use, looking over their shoulders as like your attitude, bleach wouldn't strike the surface of their iron.
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